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Post by MarkH on Mar 20, 2016 17:03:53 GMT
At last! I split it into two, as it was a bit long  |
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Post by ScottB on Mar 23, 2016 12:51:54 GMT
Excellent videos Mark! Very fair evaluation. A little expensive for my taste... not sure it's worth it for me, as you said in your outtakes. I might consider it on a full blown sim cockpit.
In regards to the trim, as I was watching your explanation, a spring joystick or yoke kind of tricks you into the same sensation of reduced force but your hand naturally moves to the non-pressure center of the joystick null zone as the trim is manipulated, where as a force feedback allows your hand to stay in the same position because the yoke moves for you (more realistic, I guess). Damn, I don't know how to type that! Doesn't matter anyway... just a silly observation I never really considered before, even in real flight.
The other force feedback sensations peak my interest, like the elevator forces with varying airspeeds, ground bumps etc., especially in conjunction with a BK Gamer. I guess anything that helps suspend disbelief is pretty cool. Like you said, it needs an established track record, which could be overlooked with the right pricing.
I'm glad you pointed out the fiddly nature of that crazy game controller properties window and how you have to "subtract 1" to identify the button. I feel your pain!!
Thanks for posting those videos, we can always count on a realistic review from you.
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Post by fairwinds47 on May 14, 2016 0:53:48 GMT
Mark, I've been surfing the various flightsim websites today and came upon the Iris site vs3.irisdynamics.com/. Their current price for the yoke is $1250, and they are even offering the actuator a' la carte at $950. It's got me thinking. R/Len |
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Post by MarkH on May 14, 2016 7:07:01 GMT
Their current price for the yoke is $1250, and they are even offering the actuator a' la carte at $950 Yes, it looks like they are trying to find a realistic price point for the yoke. I note they've also re-branded is as a 'VR' device, no doubt to capitalise on the current hysteria around the Oculus Rift  |
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Post by fairwinds47 on May 17, 2016 0:05:06 GMT
Mark,one the options I was considering before Force Feedback (FFB)/Control Loading (CL), was a PFC or Yoko yoke. The pictures I saw of the Yoko internals, made me think that a guy could attempt to build one himself and save a few bucks. Then I found this site bffsimulation.com/index.php, which bumps it all up to another level. They even shows images of a CL rudder. I don't know if the cost of building a CL yoke is competitive with what the Iris currently costs, but it is interesting. R/Len |
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Post by MarkH on May 17, 2016 6:34:09 GMT
I don't know if the cost of building a CL yoke is competitive with what the Iris currently costs, but it is interesting. Yes, that is a very cool site. You would definitely spend more time building than flying, but where's the harm in that?! |
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Post by fairwinds47 on May 17, 2016 17:54:28 GMT
Yep. An opportunity to learn something new, and/or an excuse to buy more tools! ;-)
After further reading, I see they estimate the BFF build cost @ 800 pounds. I imagine shipping of the boards and motors to the US would bump that up quite a bit.
I found a video comparison <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWr3eoPuSqM> of the Iris and Brunner yokes. I suspect the video was made by the Brunner folks, so not sure how objective it is. The BFF and the Brunner use their own FFB software, so I wonder how long term their support will be versus FS Force. Parts for the BFF are open sourced, so it should be easier to support in the future. It looks like the BFF and Brunner use similar technologies and best the Iris in strength of force. Cost-wise, your Iris quick starter deal beats them both, though. :-)
Forgive the rambling. It's what us over-the-hill folks tend to do.
R/Len
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Post by fairwinds47 on May 18, 2016 4:16:44 GMT
Mark, I see on the AVSIM forum, that you posted a link to the video back in January. It's taking me a while to catch up with you. ;-}
R/Len
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Post by MarkH on May 18, 2016 6:37:27 GMT
Mark, I see on the AVSIM forum, that you posted a link to the video back in January. It's taking me a while to catch up with you. ;-} Ha! I seem to recall that the Iris yoke didn't come out well from that comparison. |
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Post by silverghost on Jun 28, 2016 13:33:25 GMT
Hi Guys,
Really useful reviews Mark. I've been waiting to see how the IRIS yoke turned out, and the answer seems to be expensive.
I fly a wide variety of planes and have based my setup around a MS Sidewinder 2 Force Feedback stick plus FSForce2 software as I was determined to have Force Feedback.
I have the stick mounted on a speaker stand on one side and 2 throttle quadrants, flap control, 3 trim controls all mounted on a second speaker stand on the other side. It all works really well and I wouldn't be without my Force Feedback it totally transforms the experience. So if anyone really wants Force Feedback I would thoroughly recommend the Sidewinder 2 FF.
Cheers
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